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		<title>Comment on My Illegal Immigration Solution by Hucking Fypocrites</title>
		<link>http://www.political-discourse.com/2010/07/08/my-illegal-immigration-solution/comment-page-1/#comment-672</link>
		<dc:creator>Hucking Fypocrites</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Aug 2010 23:04:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And as I explained at your place, they should carry a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/menuitem.eb1d4c2a3e5b9ac89243c6a7543f6d1a/?vgnextoid=ae853ad15c673210VgnVCM100000082ca60aRCRD&amp;vgnextchannel=ae853ad15c673210VgnVCM100000082ca60aRCRD&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;United States Permanent Resident Card (Green Card)&lt;/a&gt;. Which have been issued to legal immigrants in various forms since at least 1946.

I can&#039;t believe you&#039;ve never heard of this.

I also asked you if any of this changed your position here or on the AZ bill...which you never answered.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And as I explained at your place, they should carry a <a href="http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/menuitem.eb1d4c2a3e5b9ac89243c6a7543f6d1a/?vgnextoid=ae853ad15c673210VgnVCM100000082ca60aRCRD&amp;vgnextchannel=ae853ad15c673210VgnVCM100000082ca60aRCRD" rel="nofollow">United States Permanent Resident Card (Green Card)</a>. Which have been issued to legal immigrants in various forms since at least 1946.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t believe you&#8217;ve never heard of this.</p>
<p>I also asked you if any of this changed your position here or on the AZ bill&#8230;which you never answered.</p>
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		<title>Comment on My Illegal Immigration Solution by Rutherford</title>
		<link>http://www.political-discourse.com/2010/07/08/my-illegal-immigration-solution/comment-page-1/#comment-671</link>
		<dc:creator>Rutherford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Aug 2010 18:42:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Huck, as I stated over at my place .... the only conclusive form of id I carry which I can produce if asked, is my drivers license. I don&#039;t carry anything else. Some folks don&#039;t drive. What should they carry? Their passport? Some folks never travel and don&#039;t have a passport.

I&#039;m not sure where you&#039;re headed with this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huck, as I stated over at my place &#8230;. the only conclusive form of id I carry which I can produce if asked, is my drivers license. I don&#8217;t carry anything else. Some folks don&#8217;t drive. What should they carry? Their passport? Some folks never travel and don&#8217;t have a passport.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure where you&#8217;re headed with this.</p>
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		<title>Comment on This is quite the eye opener. by Rutherford</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rutherford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Aug 2010 18:37:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah well, school will do that! Best of luck with your studies and try to squeeze in an article or two. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah well, school will do that! Best of luck with your studies and try to squeeze in an article or two. <img src='http://www.political-discourse.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on My Illegal Immigration Solution by Hucking Fypocrites</title>
		<link>http://www.political-discourse.com/2010/07/08/my-illegal-immigration-solution/comment-page-1/#comment-669</link>
		<dc:creator>Hucking Fypocrites</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Aug 2010 20:24:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was watching Campus P.D. this weekend and they had an episode where an intoxicated young lady was refusing to identify herself, and could not produce any form of identification when requested by law enforcement.

She was arrested for being drunk in public and for &lt;b&gt;failure to ID&lt;/b&gt;.

The point is...since when has it been an afront to our civil rights to be asked to &quot;show our papers&quot; and to be arrested for failing to do so?

&quot;Everyone who is legally here in the U.S., is issues by the State they reside in, a biometeric Workers ID card abiding by INS guidelines. American Citizens get a biometric SSN card.&quot;

As we have learned since this post was written, this will never fly because the state is issuing the card. That means state enforcement.

Not to mention everyone who is here legally is already issued paperwork they are required to show when asked. How is another card going to change the problem? -- much of which is non-enforcement of existing law by local, state, and federal levels.

&quot;No I.D.’s of either kind means no services or bank accounts, no vehicle purchases, no money orders or out-of-country wire fund transfers, no social services like food stamps or State aid, no education assistance, no utilities like gas, electric or water, no school enrollment. &quot;

Not that I&#039;m against such extreme measures -- which I am not -- but no politician would ever spend the political capital to support them. The public outrage against such extremities would be deafening. And, according to the courts, can only be enforced at the federal level.

&quot;However, if it matters that much to us then I’m not sure there is any other way besides the one you suggest, Curator.&quot;

Aggressive enforcement of existing laws would be another way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was watching Campus P.D. this weekend and they had an episode where an intoxicated young lady was refusing to identify herself, and could not produce any form of identification when requested by law enforcement.</p>
<p>She was arrested for being drunk in public and for <b>failure to ID</b>.</p>
<p>The point is&#8230;since when has it been an afront to our civil rights to be asked to &#8220;show our papers&#8221; and to be arrested for failing to do so?</p>
<p>&#8220;Everyone who is legally here in the U.S., is issues by the State they reside in, a biometeric Workers ID card abiding by INS guidelines. American Citizens get a biometric SSN card.&#8221;</p>
<p>As we have learned since this post was written, this will never fly because the state is issuing the card. That means state enforcement.</p>
<p>Not to mention everyone who is here legally is already issued paperwork they are required to show when asked. How is another card going to change the problem? &#8212; much of which is non-enforcement of existing law by local, state, and federal levels.</p>
<p>&#8220;No I.D.’s of either kind means no services or bank accounts, no vehicle purchases, no money orders or out-of-country wire fund transfers, no social services like food stamps or State aid, no education assistance, no utilities like gas, electric or water, no school enrollment. &#8221;</p>
<p>Not that I&#8217;m against such extreme measures &#8212; which I am not &#8212; but no politician would ever spend the political capital to support them. The public outrage against such extremities would be deafening. And, according to the courts, can only be enforced at the federal level.</p>
<p>&#8220;However, if it matters that much to us then I’m not sure there is any other way besides the one you suggest, Curator.&#8221;</p>
<p>Aggressive enforcement of existing laws would be another way.</p>
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		<title>Comment on This is quite the eye opener. by Curator</title>
		<link>http://www.political-discourse.com/2010/07/12/this-is-quite-the-eye-opener/comment-page-1/#comment-668</link>
		<dc:creator>Curator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Aug 2010 19:22:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>School is kicking my ass.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>School is kicking my ass.</p>
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		<title>Comment on This is quite the eye opener. by Rutherford</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rutherford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Aug 2010 15:26:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And of course, now the GOPhers say they can keep the tax cut for the rich and it will pay for itself ... well all GOPhers except Eric Cantor who was more candid than he meant to be. :-)

Curator, hope you are well. I pop over here every now and then. You haven&#039;t blogged in a month nor have you stopped over at my place. Hope all is well with you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And of course, now the GOPhers say they can keep the tax cut for the rich and it will pay for itself &#8230; well all GOPhers except Eric Cantor who was more candid than he meant to be. <img src='http://www.political-discourse.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Curator, hope you are well. I pop over here every now and then. You haven&#8217;t blogged in a month nor have you stopped over at my place. Hope all is well with you.</p>
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		<title>Comment on My Illegal Immigration Solution by Rutherford</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rutherford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Aug 2010 15:21:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well Huck sarcastic or not, presents the fly in the ointment. It&#039;s a fine line between &quot;show me your papers&quot; and &quot;show me your card&quot;. 

However, if it matters that much to us then I&#039;m not sure there is any other way besides the one you suggest, Curator.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Huck sarcastic or not, presents the fly in the ointment. It&#8217;s a fine line between &#8220;show me your papers&#8221; and &#8220;show me your card&#8221;. </p>
<p>However, if it matters that much to us then I&#8217;m not sure there is any other way besides the one you suggest, Curator.</p>
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		<title>Comment on My Illegal Immigration Solution by Hucking Fypocrites</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hucking Fypocrites</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Aug 2010 06:50:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK I see you didn&#039;t catch my intended sarcasm.

You&#039;re trying to enforce immigration law. Word is that&#039;s racism.



I&#039;d have thought you knew me better than that....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK I see you didn&#8217;t catch my intended sarcasm.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re trying to enforce immigration law. Word is that&#8217;s racism.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d have thought you knew me better than that&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>Comment on You can&#8217;t stop the GOP crazy talk. by Hucking Fypocrites</title>
		<link>http://www.political-discourse.com/2010/07/12/you-cant-stop-the-gop-crazy-talk/comment-page-1/#comment-664</link>
		<dc:creator>Hucking Fypocrites</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Aug 2010 06:45:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More than that one, anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More than that one, anyway.</p>
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		<title>Comment on My Illegal Immigration Solution by Curator</title>
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		<dc:creator>Curator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Aug 2010 18:23:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow... I&#039;m now a racist.  Well fuck you too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow&#8230; I&#8217;m now a racist.  Well fuck you too.</p>
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